Unlocking the Power of the Skip Level Meetings — Darva Satcher // GitLab Inc.

There's always some hierarchy in every organization, no matter how flat they try to keep things flat. The farther away people are from the center point, the harder it is to keep them glued. Skip levels are a way to keep people connected to the vision. What is it, and how does it work? Listen to Darva Satcher, Director of Engineering of GitLab Inc., as she discusses how to unlock the power of skip-level meetings.
About the speaker

Darva Satcher

GitLab Inc.

- GitLab Inc.

Darva Satcher is Director of Engineering at GitLab Inc.

Show Notes

  • 02:11
    What does it mean to be a product led team?
    Some teams are formed and restructured by tasks, while the product leads others. As the product changes, teams change.
  • 03:42
    Skip levels are a way to keep people connected to the vision. What is it, and how does it work?
    Skip level is about meeting with engineers directly instead of engineering managers at least once a year to know their needs, accomplishments, drawbacks, and what they need to support their growth.
  • 05:16
    Regardless of the size of your engineering team, how do you handle the skip level meeting?
    Have a template everyone fills going into the meeting to keep the conversations smooth and targeted.
  • 09:30
    How to skip a level and build relationships with team members
    Its about recognizing peoples anniversaries, giving people a shout-out when they do something great, and saying something when you see something.
  • 11:01
    Maintaining a healthy relationship with engineering managers
    Dont override managers or make commitments on their behalf but take feedback from developers about their managers as material to coach your managers.
  • 14:20
    What needs to be true in an organization to be able to do skip levels in a productive way
    Rule number one, always have an agenda. Rule number two, from the very beginning, say, "I'm going to share this information with your engineering manager."

Quotes

  • "We are led by the product. So as the product changes, the team change. So currently, AI is coming, which will also impact the team structure." - Darva Satcher

  • "Skip levels are when I'm a director, and my direct reports are engineering managers, and engineers reporting to me, to the engineering managers. There is a gap between what the engineers are working on and what I'm working on, on a day-to-day basis. Most directors were engineering managers, right? So, we're used to working with engineers, so we don't get the opportunity to. It's important not only for us to stay in touch and engage with them. But for them to keep in touch with us." - Darva Satcher

  • "I usually go into the skip level meetings saying; your manager is your coach. I'm a cheerleader on the sidelines rooting for you. We're a team to support you. And you have twice as many people looking out for you. You've got your managers coaching you, and then I'm your sponsor. It's great feedback. It creates results because it affects change. It makes psychological safety because they're not afraid to speak up." - Darva Satcher

  • "The director scares people off. Every year, someone has an anniversary, it's in the channel, and I reach out to them. When I meet with engineering managers, I ask them who's winning and doing something great. And then I'll go into the group Slack channel and say, fantastic job XYZ you had an amazing impact here. Fantastic. Anytime you see something, you say something." - Darva Satcher

  • "If they say something that the engineering manager is not doing, or if they have a meeting, they've requested of me to say that, I want that information. I like that feedback because that's how I coach the engineering manager." - Darva Satcher

  • "Rule number one, always have an agenda. Rule number two, from the very beginning, says, "I'm going to share this information with your engineering manager." How can you affect change if you have a long meeting and can't tell your engineering manager?" - Darva Satcher

  • "Another rule is to look at it as data. Don't look at it as right or wrong. After they say, my managers are not supporting my career, when you go to the manager, the manager might say, but I am. It doesn't matter what you think you're doing. What matters is the result." - Darva Satcher

  • "Take yourself and your emotions out of the way and say, Well, regardless of what I think I'm doing, the direct report is not receiving that, and I need to support them where they are. I need to force them where I am." - Darva Satcher

  • "For some reason, I process frustration by pivoting to a challenge. Wow, this is an opportunity; the more frustrated I am, the more frustrated most people are about the same thing. I found an opportunity to improve efficiency." - Darva Satcher

About the speaker

Darva Satcher

GitLab Inc.

- GitLab Inc.

Darva Satcher is Director of Engineering at GitLab Inc.

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